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Originally Posted by greezmaster
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Originally Posted by LOLface
On topic - I talked to Ristov and y'all have different points of views.
Of course everyone has their reasons. Everyone can justify to themselves why they did things. Doesn't make it right.
Everyone needs to be there own judge. But for me, any justification why it was ok to stab people in the back and plant spys in a community you used to work for just indicates someone who has no morals and poor judgement. A dog is still a dog, no matter how they justify their actions to themselves.
Very true,Xnite.
He kinda makes sense,too but I would say the same thing if I was you. Depending who you are - you do what's the right thing for you,even though it doesn't make it right for others. It's just all business after all.
wow, just wow.
i cant believe shadowhaunter was a spy.
this sux
Can I post my chat log with him here if I censor it?
I think private conversations should be just that. Private. That's just my opinion.
Ugh why is everyone leaving and stuff
I remember 1 year ago it was peacful we had shadow haunter and aub as FH
Roflcopter and Deathnote as global moderator
Xnite dave and martin
Now look at this
How much will we fail in this community im just saying
But how important is this site why must all the best people turn down
It seems it might be the end for aph soon
Just tell me WHY?
*Slowly shakes head*
While I may still had had respect for Martin,
it's gone.
Actually, it was never there.
I don't doubt that Matt didn't spy.
I don't know why, I might be gullible, or...something else.
I don't know why Martin would destroy his connections with his (burning down bridges, as Xnite said),
but I do know one thing (at least for me).
ATF is and would have been better without him.
AuburnAttack21 has been FH for as long FH has been around and How long was ShawdowHaunter a spy.
I think it started around the time Martin left.
well this is a turn of events,
the top 2 most respected people stab everyone on ATF in the back,
and lose all respect after that.
that, personally, is the worst way to go,
you cant go any worse way.
when i found APH, i found all these hacks by Martin and i thought he was the greatest,
then i came on here and found out that he stole hacks and that made me lose some of my respect for him,
then i met ShadowHaunter, lets just say he wasnt my favorite staff member.
then i gained respect for him,
and now i have lost all of it for both of them.
It certainly did. But hey, look at the positive side. We got new hackers like leverage419 and superdragonfruit. We don't need Martin that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by asd123
So is anyone going to update the time-line?
He seems like a decent reasonable guy when I talked to him last night. He started to get paid for his hobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxSharpfirexx
As he told me, he started having financial issues so he transferred for something else.
He even got demoted before that so it kinda pushed him.
Don't talk like that for people that are not here. He did have a reason according to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by weatherdog
Can he express his feeling it's not like he is saying "I hate martin and I used to think he was cool". But anyways were getting off-topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by greezmaster
You know in one year every single mod has either been demoted promoted or banned
Well 2011 is just starting we'll see what we can make out of this
It's also a coincedience that this is happening almost one year after when i joined atf
But i don't blame martin for leaving for money to be paid
I mean people would always work for money rather than work for free plus he's at the age where he can earn money part-time
I'm just saying
Though getting shadowhaunter as a spy o.0 what were the benefits anyway
And neither did I. As I pointed out quite clearly in my original post this was never about him working for the competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by mapleRT
So please do not confuse the two issues here. The fact is Martin never got paid to try and turn our admin into a spy for him, or turn Shadow into a spy for him. Martin did this completely of his own accord. Not for pay. Martin could have quietly left and enjoyed his new job. We all know that's what a decent person would have done. Instead he decided to stab a knife in the back of the community as he walked out the door. He did not need to do this. He was not asked to do this. It was not part of his new job. It was what he felt like doing and decided to himself. That speaks volumes about someone's character to me. If you can still respect someone after they put a knife to the back of the community they spent so much time with, then that's your right. But quite frankly, I don't understand how you could still respect someone after that. I lost all respect for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xnite
i think martin was lying when he said he was having financial troubles, just a few weeks after he went to them. He told me he was buying a 200 dollar head set
The man hacks fast,
and at some money a hack he coulda been a millionaire if his boss didnt run out of money... oops was that a secret?
Anyways i knew this was gonna happen
I just wanna ADMIT something.
I registered for the HAG forum just to request some DAMN requested hacks.
Martin and Roflcopter were there,I sent Martin a PM and he told me he still keep in touch with the old guys.Check it.
They are both Mods on the site.
OMG your right XNightmare but I will never register there because I'm to attached to this forum and APH.
xNightmare please don't use God's name in vain, I edited your post!
I dont see whats the big problem.
The guys wanted to earn some money by doing the same thing they did here, and they "backstabbed"(if that term even fits in this discussion) a community made up mostly of 10 year olds.
Oh, but then theres loyalty and moral fiber and all that horse****.
So, its either keep anonymous 10 year old friends over the internet, or get paid REAL money so you can buy REAL things.
You people have no life.
lets see, you have a whole 5 posts, so i doubt you see how big of a deal this is. They both were trusted, we called them friends, and they turn around and do this. and warning for swearing and insults
this guy makes some valid points.
Well with all this fuss and commotion going on I would like a few words in this.
Your one to talk Deathnote, you might not "stab atf" in the back. But you sure would leave atf and don't deny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathnote202
I really want to point out, that a Micro-nation isn't a paper flag that is placed in your backyard. Since the properties is OWNED by the United States of America? There for, you can't have your own independent nation. Better luck next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AuburnAttack21
fixed :P. Okay well Im kidding about this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by killer1478
i do not deny that fact, i almost went to the other site when my family was going to lose our house, but i did not go since martin wanted me to get the info 4 himQuote:
Originally Posted by Roflcopter3399
I'll marry your brain. I'd say this,but didn't know how the 10 year olds here would react. Seriously,bro i love you. <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Thunder
Oh yes, that explains everything. Your family is losing there house, so why not betray atf and get money. You think working for The other site would of saved your family from losing there home? I highly doubt that. So, whats stopping your family from losing there house now? or did all of a sudden everything go back to normal. I think thats just a load ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Deathnote202
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Originally Posted by Dark Thunder
Ever here of a tax refund? we got 6000 back so we caught up on our payments...and i got a laptop :D
Strange how you got 3000 dollars more then the average tax refund rate in America is.
everyone gets different amounts based on their federal income tax, home tax, etc. back before the UAW strike we used to get about 10-15k, and this is getting off topic
I used to talk with shadow years ago. i never thought he would do something like this
but nevertheless, my loyalties lie with the atf/aph community.
HAHA!
And then there was me 2 years or so ago saying how Martin Ristov was bad, how he was a leech and no one believed me. Everyone was all like "He's the best!" - ****ing LOL.