Valve Games

[SalamiNipples]

If you didn't read the tf2 articles.
It said that it's going to be fair and there will be no pay to win items.
I mean i've crafted some pro as weapons yesterday.

All the weapons kill the same way. Just minor pros and cons.

[xxSharpfirexx]

You only have limited features though. Like less weapons and less backpack space.

It's almost exactly the same actually. You do get less backpack space, and miss out on some rare items. But, you can get a premium membership with any purchase from the Mann Co. store. So really, the only benefit of paying for it was that you get a virtual hat.

HAHAHA THAT'S IT?! XD
oh man you guys got ripped off xD

We got ripped off?
We paid $60 to play the game four years before everyone else.
Ripoff for 4000 hours of enjoyment?
We did get ripped off, though.
F2Ps only need to spend fifty cents to get the full content, compared to the P2Ps who spent varying degrees of money. $2.49, $5, the price of it before it went F2P, $10, $20, or $60.

I bet it's about F2P player to be kicked.
Because people can be such idiots sometimes.
What's the problem with have f2p in your server?

I went into my neighbor's house and wanted to eat his yogurt.
He kicked me out, screaming that he was going to call the cops.
What a weird guy.
Seriously. One, you didn't even pay for the game. Two, most of you keep complaining things like "omg pyro is op srsly". Three, I'm not an elitist. Four, would spending fifty cents really open a hole in your wallet? Five, what's wrong with just wanting to have a good time? I don't want noobs on my team.

(Flamethrower: 100% accuracy is 139. SMG's is 150. Flamethrower's DPS accounts for you having 100% accuracy for 139 Damage per Second, but since it's particles, they go out in random directions; you end up getting around 60 DPS.)

there not bad they are just stuck with sucky weapons and items
i bet if premium people had the same stuff as f2p people they would suck as well

Yes, they ARE bad. In most cases, the vanilla start out weapons > new weapons. Also, Premium people > F2P people. Forever. We have more experience, know wtf we're doing, and actually are coordinated.

Example: Let's say I play TF2. I get into a server and I have a blast. We have a perfect team, one sniper, one spy, one engineer, everyone else is an offense class, we have one medic. He uses the default weapons, and is healing everyone equally. 
A F2P joins our team, and goes medic. Our current medic changes back to scout, since he only medded because we didn't have a medic in the first place. All of a sudden, there's a carpet of burning corpses leading to the medic. I chased the medic for ten minutes with 7 HP, mashing "MEDIC!" until there was no tomorrow. I got killed by a stray shot from a shotgun because the F2P medic kept overhealing the heavy, even though he had complete 450 HP, was not in combat, or firing his weapons. Then once he gets an uber, he activates it when no one is around.
Example Two, new server: I was playing spy one day, and then I saw a medic healing a heavy around the corner. I backstabbed the heavy in front of the medic. He stared at me, without doing anything. We stare at each other until I disguise as the heavy, and call for a medic. He follows me into battle, and eventually ubers me.

[XxDarknessAngelxX]

i just go pwned by a fan :3

i didn't like the game anyways not my style of gameplay

[Soewut]

We got ripped off?
We paid $60 to play the game four years before everyone else.
Ripoff for 4000 hours of enjoyment?

We did get ripped off, though.
F2Ps only need to spend fifty cents to get the full content, compared to the P2Ps who spent varying degrees of money. $2.49, $5, the price of it before it went F2P, $10, $20, or $60.

Actually, not true. To get premium content it cost 5 dollars, since that's the minimum you can put in your steam wallet.

I went into my neighbor's house and wanted to eat his yogurt.
He kicked me out, screaming that he was going to call the cops.
What a weird guy.

Don't think that no one realizes you quoted someone on another forum. If you had read the rest of the thread, you would have seen the comments on how that is a terrible analogy. A better comparison would be getting thrown out of a store for eating the free yoghurt they have there.

Seriously. One, you didn't even pay for the game. Two, most of you keep complaining things like "omg pyro is op srsly". Three, I'm not an elitist. Four, would spending fifty cents really open a hole in your wallet? Five, what's wrong with just wanting to have a good time? I don't want noobs on my team.

They didn't pay for the game BECAUSE IT'S FREE. Also, I don't see how the Pyro being overpowered is relevant. Three: Okay then. Four, It's not 50 cents it's 5 dollars, which is more than a lot of Premium members paid.
Five, Then why can't you ban the noobs? Or go on servers where the Admin will ban noobs, rather than not giving them a chance. Noobs don't stay noobs forever, but this mod might still be banning free to play people for years.

A F2P joins our team, and goes medic. Our current medic changes back to scout, since he only medded because we didn't have a medic in the first place. All of a sudden, there's a carpet of burning corpses leading to the medic. I chased the medic for ten minutes with 7 HP, mashing "MEDIC!" until there was no tomorrow. I got killed by a stray shot from a shotgun because the F2P medic kept overhealing the heavy, even though he had complete 450 HP, was not in combat, or firing his weapons. Then once he gets an uber, he activates it when no one is around.
Example Two, new server: I was playing spy one day, and then I saw a medic healing a heavy around the corner. I backstabbed the heavy in front of the medic. He stared at me, without doing anything. We stare at each other until I disguise as the heavy, and call for a medic. He follows me into battle, and eventually ubers me.

Those people are absolutely terrible. They will never learn to play right, so the best thing to do would be ban them forever. I am terribly sorry you had put up those retarded F2P n00bs.

[RoyalWaffle]

All your saying is completely wrong.
Just because were F2P does not mean were dumb at the game.
We could say a person bought the game right before the Uber update and he really sucks and he doesn't know the basic rules.
And then F2P comes in we would say he's a noob and some aren't.
It's really stupid to have a first impression on a F2P.
All your caring s how much you payed.
It means we got lucky on when we got the game.

[xxSharpfirexx]

We got ripped off?
We paid $60 to play the game four years before everyone else.
Ripoff for 4000 hours of enjoyment?

We did get ripped off, though.
F2Ps only need to spend fifty cents to get the full content, compared to the P2Ps who spent varying degrees of money. $2.49, $5, the price of it before it went F2P, $10, $20, or $60.

Actually, not true. To get premium content it cost 5 dollars, since that's the minimum you can put in your steam wallet.

Yes, but you can still use that money on other games. Therefore, only spending fifty cents on TF2. Also you do know that you can use a credit card, right?

Seriously. One, you didn't even pay for the game. Two, most of you keep complaining things like "omg pyro is op srsly". Three, I'm not an elitist. Four, would spending fifty cents really open a hole in your wallet? Five, what's wrong with just wanting to have a good time? I don't want noobs on my team.

They didn't pay for the game BECAUSE IT'S FREE. Also, I don't see how the Pyro being overpowered is relevant. Three: Okay then. Four, It's not 50 cents it's 5 dollars, which is more than a lot of Premium members paid.
Five, Then why can't you ban the noobs? Or go on servers where the Admin will ban noobs, rather than not giving them a chance. Noobs don't stay noobs forever, but this mod might still be banning free to play people for years.

One, I meant as "You didn't pay for the game, you don't have rights." Two, I meant Pyro being overpowered as an example of the things I see F2Ps spamming. Four, a lot of Premium members bought it for $60 or $20. I also know a few friends who bought it at the discount of $2.49 though. Five, ban the noobs? I'm sorry if I'm contradicting myself here, but I think banning the noobs is a step too far. I don't like them on my team, but it doesn't mean I'd switch or go to spectate first change I get. Still, I do get mad when F2Ps stand around when I uber them.

A F2P joins our team, and goes medic. Our current medic changes back to scout, since he only medded because we didn't have a medic in the first place. All of a sudden, there's a carpet of burning corpses leading to the medic. I chased the medic for ten minutes with 7 HP, mashing "MEDIC!" until there was no tomorrow. I got killed by a stray shot from a shotgun because the F2P medic kept overhealing the heavy, even though he had complete 450 HP, was not in combat, or firing his weapons. Then once he gets an uber, he activates it when no one is around.
Example Two, new server: I was playing spy one day, and then I saw a medic healing a heavy around the corner. I backstabbed the heavy in front of the medic. He stared at me, without doing anything. We stare at each other until I disguise as the heavy, and call for a medic. He follows me into battle, and eventually ubers me.

Those people are absolutely terrible. They will never learn to play right, so the best thing to do would be ban them forever. I am terribly sorry you had put up those retarded F2P n00bs.

Thank you.

All your saying is completely wrong.
Just because were F2P does not mean were dumb at the game.
We could say a person bought the game right before the Uber update and he really sucks and he doesn't know the basic rules.
And then F2P comes in we would say he's a noob and some aren't.
It's really stupid to have a first impression on a F2P.

All my saying is completely correct. I never said F2P was dumb at the game. I just said that the ones in my server are. I am aware of the fact that there are some F2Ps better than P2Ps, my previous statement about "P2Ps > F2Ps 'Forever'" is incorrect. If a F2P came into a server, we would have no way of knowing unless:
No steam avatar,
No hats,
Wears Ghastly Gibus,
Plays horribly.
These four ways does not automatically mean the person is F2P.
But yes, I do have a couple of friends who bought the game a few weeks, days in some cases, before it went F2P. Those are the only ones with a right to complain, in my opinion. But still, they all know the basic rules. They all played the tutorials. They even had the decency to play a round or two of offline against bots. When they show up, they're not even half as good as us, but at least they know to prioritize people based on their health and if they are on fire.
This is more than I can say for F2Ps.
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I took these three screenshots a week or two ago. Pay SPECIAL attention to the amount of spies and snipers.
I was playing Engineer on freight, solo defended the second last point as engineer.
Suddenly, Sentry Fortress 2 happens.
Also, first impression? F2P has been out for too long to have a "first" impression.

[RoyalWaffle]

So why were we ranting again?
I mean F2P is all fine.
It's just people who argue about that they bought the game.
F2P can be just as well better then P2P (Which SharpFire said)
Now as long as their good spies and snipers i reckon you could win.
Backstab then it's free to go in and capture.
Back stab and defend the point.
Snipe and then it's free to go in and capture.
Snipe and defend the point...

[xxSharpfirexx]

Now as long as their good spies and snipers i reckon you could win.
Backstab then it's free to go in and capture.
Back stab and defend the point.
Snipe and then it's free to go in and capture.
Snipe and defend the point...

These are F2P spies and snipers.
What do you expect?
F2P Spy: Uncloak in your face without a disguise and try to facestab you.
In a disguise, run into enemy heavy fire.
Be an obvious spy.
F2P Sniper: Run around SMGing
Try to no scope
Everyone camps in the same spot.
Have you ever played the game?

Also, how do you expect us to defend, or EVEN ATTACK a point if 8 out of 12 of us are being idiots?

[meeeeeeeeedic]

Ive played tf2 for almost a year now and still cant backstab :C

[xxSharpfirexx]

Yeah, backstabbing is really hard.
But here's a friendly heads-up.
Spies are good because the enemy team isn't aware enough, not because the spy himself is really good.
Also, a tip, don't Dead Ringer. It robs the enemy of a kill they deserved and it really gets the enemy team aggravated + paranoid.